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Site AdminPermalink Reply by John Moody on December 15, 2011 at 8:52am

Are you looking at purchasing one or have you got one?

I don't have one, but if I were looking today to start fresh, I would surely give it a serious look. I think it is only a matter of time before the technology or some version of it will be on all the saws that come out. There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. I think no matter what  you are doing or the type of saw you have, you have to give all or your attention to what you are doing. Knowing that I have that bit of added protection, in the event of a slip would sure be nice to have.

It should never be looked at as a replacement for the proper use of a piece of equipment. Push sticks and blocks are still the correct way to make any cut.

It think the biggest problem most of us, or at least some of us have it the fact they are trying to force it on the industry. Maybe that is the only way, but I think offering it out there on your product and making a good competitive product will cause it to get a serious look. It should be my option. If it were my option and I was in the market today for a new saw, and the price was comparable, even a little higher, I would give it serious consideration.

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Master CarpenterPermalink Reply by Mike Dillen on December 15, 2011 at 9:13am

If you already have a table saw, I would stick with it. The prices are still pretty high and over time and technology advances the prices will come down. For the same reason John stated I don't like the idea of a company trying to force something on those that don't want or need it and using the government to achieve those ends.

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ApprenticePermalink Reply by michael frankhauser on December 15, 2011 at 4:44pm

 john, 

 I think  the argument  that  it will make people "less careful" is  not that great.  personally  I watched a demo with a hotdog, and I have to say that if that was my finger  when that think went off   I would wet myself, thank God I have all my fingers,  and take the rest of the day off to reflect.  

John Moody said:

Are you looking at purchasing one or have you got one?

I don't have one, but if I were looking today to start fresh, I would surely give it a serious look. I think it is only a matter of time before the technology or some version of it will be on all the saws that come out. There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. I think no matter what  you are doing or the type of saw you have, you have to give all or your attention to what you are doing. Knowing that I have that bit of added protection, in the event of a slip would sure be nice to have.

It should never be looked at as a replacement for the proper use of a piece of equipment. Push sticks and blocks are still the correct way to make any cut.

It think the biggest problem most of us, or at least some of us have it the fact they are trying to force it on the industry. Maybe that is the only way, but I think offering it out there on your product and making a good competitive product will cause it to get a serious look. It should be my option. If it were my option and I was in the market today for a new saw, and the price was comparable, even a little higher, I would give it serious consideration.

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John Moody
John Moody Woodworks
http://www.johnmoodywoodworks.com

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Site AdminPermalink Reply by John Morris on December 15, 2011 at 8:45pm

I would give it serious consideration as well. The saw is up there with the uni's and PM's, the technology is pretty neat. I got a chance to run some boards through one a year ago and I loved it. Thank goodness I didn't have to try out the technology. Knock on wood.

SawStop

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Site AdminPermalink Reply by John Moody on December 15, 2011 at 9:08pm

LOL you are probably right, I would do the same thing. I have a feeling my knees would get very weak too!



michael frankhauser said:

 john, 

 I think  the argument  that  it will make people "less careful" is  not that great.  personally  I watched a demo with a hotdog, and I have to say that if that was my finger  when that think went off   I would wet myself, thank God I have all my fingers,  and take the rest of the day off to reflect.  

John Moody said:

Are you looking at purchasing one or have you got one?

I don't have one, but if I were looking today to start fresh, I would surely give it a serious look. I think it is only a matter of time before the technology or some version of it will be on all the saws that come out. There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade. I think no matter what  you are doing or the type of saw you have, you have to give all or your attention to what you are doing. Knowing that I have that bit of added protection, in the event of a slip would sure be nice to have.

It should never be looked at as a replacement for the proper use of a piece of equipment. Push sticks and blocks are still the correct way to make any cut.

It think the biggest problem most of us, or at least some of us have it the fact they are trying to force it on the industry. Maybe that is the only way, but I think offering it out there on your product and making a good competitive product will cause it to get a serious look. It should be my option. If it were my option and I was in the market today for a new saw, and the price was comparable, even a little higher, I would give it serious consideration.

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John Moody
John Moody Woodworks
http://www.johnmoodywoodworks.com

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John Moody
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JourneymanPermalink Reply by Cliff on February 22, 2012 at 7:10am

Right now you can get a $10,000 Felder Hammer K3 winner with the 79"  sliding table for about half off.

http://www.hammerusa.com/us-us/products/table-saws/table-saw-k3-win...

I would not even consider a SS  with that deal available.

While it is possible to jam your pinkies into the blade of the slider, the fact of the slider makes it extremely unlikely.  Sliders are wonderfully safe machines because of the ability to make fixturing which you bolt to the table  and into which you clamp your work . This removes you hands from the  risk of blade contact. You can clamp a whole host of things to the table.

The only down side most folks have  with this particular machine is that the Rip Fence  is less than impressive. But it serves   just fine once you get the hang of it.  For ripping the rip fence is limited to little  things  because everything else goes on the slider.

I've seen Incra fences mounted on the slider table that allow repetitive accurate thin ripping for things like Maloof style rocker rails and such. 

The large miter fence on the large adjustable table  is so repeatable and accurate that I don't check square  or angles any more.  I set it and that's it.  I can switch back and forth  from 90 to 22.5 to 45 or whatever all in a smooth easy workflow and each and every time it always goes right back where it's supposed to.

The slider with it's T track sets the owner free to do so much more

There is a great debate on whether if makes you more careless or less safe because you know if you get you hand too close it will stop the blade.

Interesting  isn't it that any one can contemplate that?  I mean  it's a circular saw blade and it's going like hell.  I can't imagine that any amount of Gee Whiz Technology  hidden in the  machine would ever cause  me to think of it as harmless or less likely to injure.

I think a person would  have to be born and raised watching such  machines refuse to ever cut  any one over and over again  before  such a level of complacency would arise. 

But, if the SS technology is universally adopted,  then the first generation of people who never used  the older machines  might very well have such a level of complacency.  And that may end up being the unforeseen fly in the ointment that may cause the demise of the technology.

Everything fails.  It's all a question of time and odds.

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Forum HostPermalink Reply by Gene Howe on February 22, 2012 at 11:09am

I won't be buying one! Nor a Volt, either.

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JourneymanPermalink Reply by Cliff on February 22, 2012 at 12:51pm

I won't be buying one! Nor a Volt, either.

I have a slider. No SS can trump a  big slider

I don't want a volt  either, but I think it'd be cool to have an electric truck - when they finally figure out batteries that is.   Right now battery technology is almost worthless.  They are putting prototype research quality batteries (not industrial strength) in commercial applications and it's just plain stupid.  Maybe in 10 or so years?

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